Just a farm house

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Re: Just a farm house

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 13 Feb 2012, 12:35

Taiwan has a massive amount of fallow land. Managed properly, they could put a lot of livestock on it and it would actually improve the fertility of the land. Maybe they'd never be self-sufficient for meat, but they could certainly increase the amount they produce here fairly easily. Subsidies and a lack of immagination make for inefficient and/or destructive farming practices.

Incidentally, regarding rich people buying up farmland, last year, there were two girls at my school whose families have done this. Their fathers are brothers. One was an engineer in Taipei and one in Xinzhu. One quit and moved out here to open a fruit farm. A couple of years later, his brother did the same. My wife has been to one of the farms and talked with them. They make enough money to cover their living costs. I've also been to some other kinds of places like that around here, including a tea shop (MM will know the one -- it has the statues of the dinosaurs outside) that is run by a couple who moved out here thirty two years ago to become tea farmers from scratch and have since been able to afford to educate their children abroad. If I could ever have a little farm that provided enough income and/or food to cover the bills, I'd quit teaching for sure. Looking around at places now.
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Re: Just a farm house

Postby Confuzius » 13 Feb 2012, 12:37

I assumed this thread was about Phish (and I am sorely dissapointed :raspberry: )

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Re: Just a farm house

Postby headhonchoII » 13 Feb 2012, 12:37

The state chooses to subsidise some sectors over others. Obviously Taipower, Taiwan Sugar, Taiwan Salt, Formosa Plastics/Oil, China Air and Evergreen, they are supported by state subsidies. As are many exporters who are given specially zoned land cheap, export rebates, free trade zones, imported low cost workers, low regulations, cheap water and electricity etc etc.
No one is saying that agriculture should not be competitive, at the same time WTO destroyed some farmers liveliehoods, so that should be compensated appropriately. Anyway in the end most farmers are old and not very wealthy, it's no harm to give them a better pension when they get old and sick. They of course are citizens and not economic units!
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Re: Just a farm house

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 13 Feb 2012, 12:38

None of that wannabe Grateful Dead hippy nonsense here! :raspberry:
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Re: Just a farm house

Postby headhonchoII » 13 Feb 2012, 12:40

GuyInTaiwan wrote:Taiwan has a massive amount of fallow land. Managed properly, they could put a lot of livestock on it and it would actually improve the fertility of the land. Maybe they'd never be self-sufficient for meat, but they could certainly increase the amount they produce here fairly easily. Subsidies and a lack of immagination make for inefficient and/or destructive farming practices.

Incidentally, regarding rich people buying up farmland, last year, there were two girls at my school whose families have done this. Their fathers are brothers. One was an engineer in Taipei and one in Xinzhu. One quit and moved out here to open a fruit farm. A couple of years later, his brother did the same. My wife has been to one of the farms and talked with them. They make enough money to cover their living costs. I've also been to some other kinds of places like that around here, including a tea shop (MM will know the one -- it has the statues of the dinosaurs outside) that is run by a couple who moved out here thirty two years ago to become tea farmers from scratch and have since been able to afford to educate their children abroad. If I could ever have a little farm that provided enough income and/or food to cover the bills, I'd quit teaching for sure. Looking around at places now.


GIT , the betelnut farmer of Taidong County, has a nice ring to it. It's not easy to make money from farming folks. Some years you can win big, other years you can win nothing.
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Re: Just a farm house

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 13 Feb 2012, 12:46

Actually, I wouldn't try to do much more than provide enough for my own use and maybe some to sell or trade to others. I'd still have other investments.
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Re: Just a farm house

Postby urodacus » 13 Feb 2012, 19:02

GuyInTaiwan wrote:Actually, I wouldn't try to do much more than provide enough for my own use and maybe some to sell or trade to others. I'd still have other investments.



That sounds exactly like a pot farmer from Nimbin (or Oregon, for that matter).

Go big, man. 47 acres of hydro.
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Re: Just a farm house

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 14 Feb 2012, 11:28

Forty-seven acres would be an enormous farm in Taiwan.
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Re: Just a farm house

Postby ChewDawg » 14 Feb 2012, 12:15

headhonchoII wrote:The state chooses to subsidise some sectors over others. Obviously Taipower, Taiwan Sugar, Taiwan Salt, Formosa Plastics/Oil, China Air and Evergreen, they are supported by state subsidies. As are many exporters who are given specially zoned land cheap, export rebates, free trade zones, imported low cost workers, low regulations, cheap water and electricity etc etc.


I think you are talking out of your ass here with all due respect. :lol: If anything, being a member of the WTO helps to even the playing field. For example, the WTO Agreement on Subsidies and Countervailing Measures , which Chinese Taipei is a party to, disciplines the use of subsidies, and it regulates the actions countries can take to counter the effects of subsidies. Under the agreement, a country can use the WTO’s dispute-settlement procedure to seek the withdrawal of the subsidy or the removal of its adverse effects. Read Articles 4.1 to 4.12 of this Agreement!!!!!! :D
http://www.wto.org/english/docs_e/legal_e/24-scm.pdf

No one is saying that agriculture should not be competitive, at the same time WTO destroyed some farmers liveliehoods, so that should be compensated appropriately. Anyway in the end most farmers are old and not very wealthy, it's no harm to give them a better pension when they get old and sick. They of course are citizens and not economic units!


How exactly has is destroyed the livelihood of Taiwan farmers? With the lowering of tariffs in other countries, it has allowed Taiwan products to enter more markets. Hasn't this helped some farmers? The ones it hurts were probably uncompetitive anyways. Why should Taiwan prop up losing enterprises by protecting their sectors with high tariffs. Isn't this picking winners and losers---something that government does really badly? Why should farmers get better pensions than other people? Shouldn't the responsibility lie on the individual? :loco:
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Re: Just a farm house

Postby Deuce Dropper » 14 Feb 2012, 22:27

Confuzius wrote:I assumed this thread was about Phish (and I am sorely dissapointed :raspberry: )



Me too, :cry:
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