Conspiracy discussion about 2004 Chen Shui-bian shooting

[TainanCowboy]

I thought this thread was abut Mikey Turton?
Re: Dr. Lee..he came...he investigated...the results of his investigation were suppressed.
He has REFUSED further comment on what he found.

Please elucidate on the suppression of Dr Lee's investigation results. First I've heard of it.

Find Dr. Lee's initial presentation of his investigation.
Now find any follow-up statements, or elaborations from him re: his investigation.

[Fox]

Ah Bian shoot-up...a scam...but it worked.

Not as successful as the scam that got Chen locked up.

Yeah...right...OK...Hey, listen....I have a bridge down here for sale.
Goes right over to the mainland. You can make a fortune on tolls.

Can I put you down as an investor in it?

The ruling states that as president, Chen should have known that “if one person in power developed a greed for the people’s money, the entire country would devolve into chaos.”

That's the line which stuck with me the most. In Taiwan?! That statement would be enough to make Gordon Gekko blush. Everyone knows Chen was railroaded for doing what every politician in the country had been doing. Which ones of them haven't pocketed their campaign finance money? What is campaign finance money if it isn't a bribe? Look at the US, politicians still pocket it to this day.

The latest scam in America, is to use campaign finance money to buy your own products e.g., the book you are selling to launch your campaign etc.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/18/herman-cain-mitt-romney-campaign-funds_n_1017568.html

Your buddies are among the worst offenders.

You were crazy to buy that bridge without having anyone to offload it to.

[TainanCowboy]

FOX -
LOL...so when is the Ah Bian team gonna return all of their stolen money?

[headhonchoII]

@Betelnut- I don't fully support that story you have woven as it is too complicated, I prefer the simple use low calibre bullet one shooter approach and keep it between a very select few people. You tend to have good knowledge of things but I think your conclusions can also be led by wishful thinking and a certain bias. You've got Annette Lu, bodyguards, large numbers of police, many detectives all working together actively to hid the truth. They pulled it off. Nobody talked.

I agree that the suicide was suspicious though.

@Fox- I agree Chen was shafted in some respects when you understand how corrupt most politicians are here, however as President he shouldn't have tried to pocket so much cash and then he couldn't have been shafted. His jail sentence was too severe in my opinion though.

[the bear]

I thought this thread was abut Mikey Turton?
Re: Dr. Lee..he came...he investigated...the results of his investigation were suppressed.
He has REFUSED further comment on what he found.

Please elucidate on the suppression of Dr Lee's investigation results. First I've heard of it.

Find Dr. Lee's initial presentation of his investigation.
Now find any follow-up statements, or elaborations from him re: his investigation.

I'm far too busy surfing porn.........how's bout you find it?

[Fox]

FOX -
LOL...so when is the Ah Bian team gonna return all of their stolen money?

When Sinopac goes bankrupt, and Lien Chan apologizes for stealing peasants' land for his rezoning scams.

[Dog's_Breakfast]

I'll start off by saying that I don't really know if Chen staged this or not. It's not like I've got proof one way or the other in my back pocket. So anything I say from here on is speculation...

Chen Shuibian is/was the kind of person who would pull something like this. Of that I have no doubt. The big problem with a staged shooting is that he'd need accomplices, and that makes it hard. If just one accomplice blows the whistle, the whole plan is foiled and indeed will backfire.

I already said I don't think Annette Lu is a lying scum-bucket like Ah-Bien, so it's a little hard for me to believe she was in on it. Technically, I think it would have been possible to remote trigger a device under the dashboard to shoot her with some light projectile to make that minor wound she suffered. And that would explain the 90-degree turn that a bullet fired from the street would have had to make. But again, there would have to be an accomplice - Ah-Bien himself couldn't have planted the device, so if it was done, it would require some technically competent person with access who would keep his mouth shut. And again, that begins to sound a bit far-fetched - something from Mission Impossible.

As for Ah-Bien's stomach wound, the easiest conspiratorial method would be for the surgeon to have made it at the hospital. No need for a bullet. There was a lot of suspicion at the time why Chen wasn't taken to nearby Chenggong University Hospital (which is the best in Tainan City) but rather to another hospital 7km away and owned by a good friend of his. Of course, you've got to find a surgeon willing to go along with this, so there's another accomplice.

To me, the most suspicious things about the whole incident was how amazingly good the shooter was (if there was a shooter). Anyone here ever fired a pistol? At two targets in a moving vehicle? With the pistol hidden in your pocket or under a newspaper, rather than holding it at eye level? And managed to hit both targets, all with nobody noticing? Just amazing. I have trouble hitting those stationery cardboard cutouts from 30 feet (less than 10 meters) even when I have time to aim and use both hands. And to top it off, the alleged weapon was some homemade crap zip gun rather than a professional pistol like a Glock or Beretta. That shooter must have been like Antonio Banderas in Desperado.

The other suspicious thing is, like already mentioned, Ah-Bien walking from the jeep into the emergency room. I've never been shot, but I've been in some motorcycle accidents and brought to the emergency room - you just don't hop out of the car and walk after something like that. You let them put you on the wheeled stretcher and bring you inside. Even if the wounds later turn out to be relatively benign, you just don't know that when you've arrived at the hospital - you're hurt, bleeding, in shock, you wait and let the staff take care of you. Of course, if you knew in advance that your wounds (if any) were only superficial, you can walk and flash a V-for-victory sign.

My conclusion - I still don't know. Either it was staged by Ah-Bien and a circle of co-conspirators who have all managed to keep their mouths shut, or we have one very lucky shooter and Ah-Bien was so obsessed with electoral fever that he wasn't fazed even by a bullet wound. Make of that what you will.

cheers,
DB

[headhonchoII]

Last bit, ever see the video how Ronald Reagan actually walked after being shot ?He almost died right after that.

[Mucha Man]

To me, the most suspicious things about the whole incident was how amazingly good the shooter was (if there was a shooter)...

Amazingly good? He shot the windshield and the bullets were deflected into their targets. Yeah, great shot. Aim at the window.

Here's the wiki pic just a few minutes before the shots. Notice the ample amount of target above the window?

[headhonchoII]

The bullet(s) could have ricocheted or fragmented into pieces or the glass could also have cut Lu. Where is Henry Lu again?