Curiously absent global warming debate

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Curiously absent global warming debate

Postby rogerthat » 17 Feb 2012, 11:06

It strikes me as odd that global warming takes up such a small place in Taiwan's public discourse despite the obvious risks it poses to the island's economy. Sure, Sisy Chen did a documentary a while back but we're not seeing the kind of existential angst gripping the western publics. Is my impression wrong? Do Taiwanese care? Any NGOs that concerned citizens can turn to? Any scientists doing research in support of (or debunking) the warming theory?
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Re: Curiously absent global warming debate

Postby Deuce Dropper » 17 Feb 2012, 11:07

Tainan Cowboy's excellent work on Forumosa has ended the discussion in this country.

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Re: Curiously absent global warming debate

Postby finley » 17 Feb 2012, 11:12

Do Taiwanese care? Any NGOs that concerned citizens can turn to? Any scientists doing research in support of (or debunking) the warming theory?

No.

This is Taiwan, and the laws of physics do not apply here. That's why, for example, people can turn right on red and not get flattened.
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Re: Curiously absent global warming debate

Postby TaipeiDawg » 17 Feb 2012, 15:34

Deuce Dropper wrote:Tainan Cowboy's excellent work on Forumosa has ended the discussion in this country.
I think he is soon to end it globally as well.
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Re: Curiously absent global warming debate

Postby Charlie Jack » 17 Feb 2012, 16:12

There was an interesting piece on a related subject in yesterday's Taipei Times. The piece didn't seem to concern itself as much with global warming per se as with the effect of other countries' carbon taxes on the competitiveness of Taiwan's electronics sector. Now, I don't know anything about that subject, so I can't say whether the piece was accurate or not. But I do think it was interesting. Here's an excerpt:

There is an inevitable trend among the world’s main industrialized countries toward levying cross-border carbon taxes aimed at protecting their own manufacturing industries and providing more job opportunities. These countries’ strategy is to impose non-tariff trade barriers in the name of environmental protection and all links in the global supply chain are beginning to feel the pressure.

Many Taiwanese consumer electronics manufacturers, such as Acer and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co, are already aware that this pressure will throw them into crisis before very long.
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Re: Curiously absent global warming debate

Postby Icon » 17 Feb 2012, 16:24

Actually, the official government's position is that it will happen. Most statements do not start with "if" but rather preparation, like flood prevention, energy conservation, etc. True, from word to ded ther eis a big gap, but mostly, you will see that the discussion centers on what to do rather than "won't happen".
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Re: Curiously absent global warming debate

Postby Okami » 17 Feb 2012, 18:26

Crony capitalism, higher taxes, more excess regulation by unelected bureaucrats that can be bullied by the right legislator for a proper donation. I wonder why it isn't getting a fuller hearing in society. :roll:
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Re: Curiously absent global warming debate

Postby Mucha Man » 17 Feb 2012, 20:17

Okami wrote:Crony capitalism, higher taxes, more excess regulation by unelected bureaucrats that can be bullied by the right legislator for a proper donation. I wonder why it isn't getting a fuller hearing in society. :roll:


More Morakot level flooding, fewer rainy days but more rain overall so more killer landslides (this is the landslide capital of the world already), more winter droughts and summer water rationing, eroding sealines, destruction of coral reefs, loss of fishing industry, hotter summers but mroe expensive electricity so less use of air con, etc etc.

Yeah, it is a wonder it isn't getting a fuller hearing in this society.
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Re: Curiously absent global warming debate

Postby Hartzell » 17 Feb 2012, 20:36

rogerthat wrote:It strikes me as odd that global warming takes up such a small place in Taiwan's public discourse despite the obvious risks it poses to the island's economy . . . . . . Is my impression wrong? Do Taiwanese care? Any NGOs that concerned citizens can turn to? Any scientists doing research in support of (or debunking) the warming theory?


Unlike other islands in the world which have large cities, like New Zealand, Taiwan doesn't have any glaciers. If there were some glaciers in Taiwan, the "global warming" effects would be more noticeable . . . . . . and I assume more discussed in the local coffee shops, pubs, and on the news commentary programs.

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Re: Curiously absent global warming debate

Postby Fox » 17 Feb 2012, 21:37

rogerthat wrote:It strikes me as odd that global warming takes up such a small place in Taiwan's public discourse despite the obvious risks it poses to the island's economy. Sure, Sisy Chen did a documentary a while back but we're not seeing the kind of existential angst gripping the western publics. Is my impression wrong? Do Taiwanese care? Any NGOs that concerned citizens can turn to? Any scientists doing research in support of (or debunking) the warming theory?


In the scientific community you cannot read a single article in earth science relating to the seas or weather that doesn't in some way reference or make considerations for global warming. Taiwan's museums are now cataloging species in preparation for the next big species die out. This is directly related to the perceived risk from global warming. Taiwan is not caught up in the silly US political dog fight about global warming. They are not into pseudo science, except when it comes to Chi-gong.
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