A-Bian is sick

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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby headhonchoII » 16 Mar 2012, 01:44

Charlie Phillips wrote:
ChewDawg wrote:There are lots of prisoners in Supermax prisons in the US that are fit as a fiddle. Why? Because they do 1000s of push ups and sit ups in their cell, which are on 24-hour lockdown.


Yes, let's use US supermax prisons as a global standard...and extend those conditions to everyone.


Amazingly he didn't turn it into a 'blame those lefty liberals and get a dig in at forumosa disciminative policies in the past' post.
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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby Charlie Phillips » 16 Mar 2012, 02:16

headhonchoII wrote:
Charlie Phillips wrote:
ChewDawg wrote:There are lots of prisoners in Supermax prisons in the US that are fit as a fiddle. Why? Because they do 1000s of push ups and sit ups in their cell, which are on 24-hour lockdown.


Yes, let's use US supermax prisons as a global standard...and extend those conditions to everyone.


Amazingly he didn't turn it into a 'blame those lefty liberals and get a dig in at forumosa disciminative policies in the past' post.


Well, obviously push ups and sit ups are the way to avoid heart disease, physical and moral corruption, and masturbation. Only someone with a liberal arts degree could disagree.
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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby ChewDawg » 16 Mar 2012, 11:13

Charlie Phillips wrote:
headhonchoII wrote:
Charlie Phillips wrote:
ChewDawg wrote:There are lots of prisoners in Supermax prisons in the US that are fit as a fiddle. Why? Because they do 1000s of push ups and sit ups in their cell, which are on 24-hour lockdown.


Yes, let's use US supermax prisons as a global standard...and extend those conditions to everyone.


Amazingly he didn't turn it into a 'blame those lefty liberals and get a dig in at forumosa disciminative policies in the past' post.


Well, obviously push ups and sit ups are the way to avoid heart disease, physical and moral corruption, and masturbation. Only someone with a liberal arts degree could disagree.


I am saying that even with restrictive living conditions, many prisoners are fitness gurus because they have nothing but time on their hands. I have no problem with Chen doing some type of work outside of his cell (not a country club prison with hot springs though) as prisoners should have the right to be productive (albeit at a low wage). But don't be swarmy and blame the health problems on a lack of exercise. Anyone who wants to keep fit in a cell can do so. Blame the health problems on years of neglect.

I'm sure they'll then complain that menial tasks are below his former president status and are putting strain on his weak heart or whatever. Once it would be nice to see a politico just say "yeah I fucked up, I deserve my punishment and I am sorry." I wonder if Chen showed such remorse, if the system would be kinder to him.
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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby Betelnut » 02 May 2012, 01:00

First Lady Wu Su-Zhen knew the first family would be facing corruption charges if they did not stay in power in 2004, and thus it was absolutely necessary for him to be reelected that year, so that's why we had all that funny business in March 2004. They pulled out all the stops by even invalidating ballots in deep blue areas like Jinmen.

So staying in power basically delayed their indictments, which happened anyway in 2006 because the prosecutor(s) went after them anyway. The Chen's family's problems actually got worse by staying in power.

Since Chen was not able to keep the DPP as the ruling party in 2008, he got shipped off to prison for the charges they could get him on.

From the KMT's point of view, I don't think they would be that upset about his family taking bribes and tax payer money through other means because that's understandable to them. What they don't like is him cheating them out of power in 2004 which nearly caused some old school KMT guys to seriously consider removing him by force from the Presidential Office and thereby disregarding the rigged election.

But the KMT doesn't like talking about election fraud because it's also their own cup of tea, so they put him away for what they could get him for.

That's the other side of the story.

Or you can believe the whole Beijing/KMT are just upset the people didn't vote for them in 2000 and 2004 so they don't respect democratically elected leaders and don't want Taiwanese people running the ROC government.
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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby segalman » 27 Mar 2013, 12:16

They want to keep him sick and in prison because they know how truly popular he is. They were probably
even afraid he would be elected again if he were out. (Are there term limits on the presidency in Taiwan)?
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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby funkymonkey » 27 Mar 2013, 12:28

segalman wrote:They want to keep him sick and in prison because they know how truly popular he is.

Maybe "they" want to keep him in prison because he is a crook and prison is exactly where he deserves to be.
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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby hansioux » 27 Mar 2013, 13:08

the supermax prisons in the US now-a-days aren't dark and damp like Taipei's fungi farm prisons.
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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby Hokwongwei » 27 Mar 2013, 18:32

No high-ranking members of the green camp dared to talk about A-bian openly until his health started declining. If you're going to come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories, at least make them make sense; here's mine: the Greens want A-bian to die in prison before 2016 so they can get sympathy votes. Wow, coming up with this crap really is easy.
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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby segalman » 28 Mar 2013, 10:56

funkymonkey wrote:
segalman wrote:They want to keep him sick and in prison because they know how truly popular he is.

Maybe "they" want to keep him in prison because he is a crook and prison is exactly where he deserves to be.


Maybe/

However, the Thoreau-Emerson situation seems to apply very well here: According to some accounts, Emerson visited Thoreau in jail and asked, “Henry, what are you doing in there?” Thoreau replied, “Waldo, the question is what are you doing out there?” That was in the context of Thoreau's protest against the U.S. involvement in Mexico in 1846.
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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby TaipeiDawg » 07 Apr 2013, 22:37

funkymonkey wrote:
segalman wrote:They want to keep him sick and in prison because they know how truly popular he is.

Maybe "they" want to keep him in prison because he is a crook and prison is exactly where he deserves to be.
If prison is the place political crooks actually deserve to be he'd have a lot more company.
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