A-Bian is sick

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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby cfimages » 12 Mar 2012, 13:37

How do his prison conditions stack up with other convicted criminals serving similar sentences for similar crimes?

If others have better conditions, then he shouldn't be singled out for harsher conditions and his should be improved. If they all have basically the same conditions, then he shouldn't be singled out as some kind of martyr suffering unduly.
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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby Mucha Man » 12 Mar 2012, 13:38

cfimages wrote:How do his prison conditions stack up with other convicted criminals serving similar sentences for similar crimes?


For his crimes, people rarely do any time in Taiwan. So it's a bit hard to compare. :lol:
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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby Belgian Pie » 12 Mar 2012, 13:41

It's revenge ... Plain, simple political nonsense
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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby Mother Theresa » 12 Mar 2012, 13:43

While it's true he was fat and unfit before being locked up and his family's whining rings slightly false, muchaman's right he'd be in a comfy prison if he'd been convicted of the same crimes in the US, but even in a supermax prison he would be entitled to more exercise time.

In the baddest of the supermax prisons in the US. . .

The 8 x 10 foot cells of the Pelican Bay SHU, or Secure Housing Unit, are made of smooth, poured concrete. They have no windows. Instead, there are fluorescent lights, which the inmates can control. For at least twenty-two hours every day, prisoners remain in their cells, looking out through a perforated steel door at a solid concrete wall. Food is delivered twice a day (breakfast, sack lunch, and dinner) through a slot in the cell door.

A guard in a central control booth controls these doors; he can press a button and allow one prisoner at a time to go out to a shower, or to his court-mandated five hours per week of outdoor exercise. This exercise takes place in a cement yard, often called a “dog run,” which extends the length of three cells, and has a roof partially open to the sky. The guard in the control booth is always armed; from his central vantage point in the control booth, he can shoot onto any one of six pods, each containing eight cells

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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby urodacus » 12 Mar 2012, 14:54

Muzha Man wrote:
cfimages wrote:How do his prison conditions stack up with other convicted criminals serving similar sentences for similar crimes?


For his crimes, people rarely do any time in Taiwan. So it's a bit hard to compare. :lol:



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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby TaipeiDawg » 12 Mar 2012, 15:23

Muzha Man wrote:
cfimages wrote:How do his prison conditions stack up with other convicted criminals serving similar sentences for similar crimes?


For his crimes, people rarely do any time in Taiwan. So it's a bit hard to compare. :lol:
Obviously, his REAL crime was getting the KMT ousted from power.
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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby finley » 12 Mar 2012, 17:27

Chen is not a hardened violent criminal. He was charged with a couple economic crimes, the more serious crimes of embezzling state funds being long dropped.

Violence doesn't always involve a gun or a baseball bat. The value of money ultimately comes from the time that people contribute to the functioning of the economy. Economic criminals steal a little bit of many people's lives, instead of the entirety of a few people's lives.
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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby Mucha Man » 12 Mar 2012, 17:39

finley wrote:
Chen is not a hardened violent criminal. He was charged with a couple economic crimes, the more serious crimes of embezzling state funds being long dropped.

Violence doesn't always involve a gun or a baseball bat. The value of money ultimately comes from the time that people contribute to the functioning of the economy. Economic criminals steal a little bit of many people's lives, instead of the entirety of a few people's lives.


I agree that economic crimes are serious. My point though was that an economic criminal of Chen's type does not need to be in a supermax compound as he is no threat to the guards or other prisoners.
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Re: A-Bian is sick

Postby Feiren » 12 Mar 2012, 18:03

You can compare to where convicted Illinois governor Rob Blagojevich is serving 14 years:

The Colorado prison where ex-Gov. Rod Blagojevich will serve his prison term has a pretty good reputation, according to Scott Fawell.

At his request, Blagojevich will be placed at a low security federal facility in Littleton, Colorado. The Englewood Prison is a 300-acre compound surrounded by woods and lakes.

"It's got a pretty good reputation within the prison community of being safe and clean, and at least you're somewhere in a pretty nice area. I mean you're in the foothills of the Rockies," Scott Fawell said. Fawell, who served as an aide to ex-Gov. George Ryan, spent five years in federal prison after being convicted of racketeering and mail fraud in 2002.


Another big difference is that the US actually proved Blagojevich was corrupt by catching him on tape talking about selling Obama's senate seat. As opposed to the pig circus here where A-bian was convicted of taking bribes from the Koo family and others. Almost all of the evidence against A-bian was testimony by people who were threatened with prison sentences themselves for corruption. A-bian said they were campaign contributions, people like Jeffery Koo (who later admitted to perjuring himself) said that the payments were bribes.

While A-bian was clearly guilty of egregious ethical lapses and may well have committed crimes, I don't think the state even came close to proving that he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

As other have said in the foregoing, his real crime was advocating Taiwanese independence and being the first non-KMT president. I think Tsai Ying-wen was very brave to have run after the reign of political terror by the judiciary (a purge by another name) that has reigned since the DPP left power.
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A-Bian is sick

Postby headhonchoII » 13 Mar 2012, 00:05

cfimages wrote:How do his prison conditions stack up with other convicted criminals serving similar sentences for similar crimes?

If others have better conditions, then he shouldn't be singled out for harsher conditions and his should be improved. If they all have basically the same conditions, then he shouldn't be singled out as some kind of martyr suffering unduly.


I agree, he should be in a minimum security type arrangement, he's not a threat to others. The sentence period was too long and the punishment too harsh.
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