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Re: local guys talking smack about you?

Postby buzzkill1 » 26 Sep 2013, 23:43

Ermintrude wrote:I can't believe an American doesn't get that national stereotypes aren't always true for everyone


When did I ever suggest stereotypes are always true? :ponder: I even gave the example of Mr. Bean as a thin and handsome English chap.

I'm sure that you get that the world understands that you aren't all stupid parochial hicks who don't travel well? That just because your country is the laughing stock of the entire world for your party politics, your religious beliefs, your gun laws, your level of education, your healthcare, your crime levels, your lack of personal freedom, your prison system, your endemic drug abuse, your cuisine, your militarism and so on, that all of you aren't completely null and void as a people?


The funny thing is Americans in general are immune to criticism from the Brits or anyone else attempting to deride us. We know we're not perfect and don't get our feelings hurt if someone else tries to point that out. I'm sure Americans at large are not jealous of anything the UK might have to offer (other than the awesome food there :roflmao: ). Britons on the other hand are often embarrassingly insecure and sensitive. They just can't let go of their glory days. They remind me a lot of the Chinese in a way, again, very insecure and sensitive about their identity - thus the cultural arrogance. At least China will likely be top dog again in the not so distant future and it will stroke and soothe their fragile egos. Maybe then they won't take things so seriously.

What can you say to a person who thinks 'fat' is either an insult or a value judgement?


You also contributed with a gibe about how much Americans eat. I'll have you know I like fat people a lot...unless I have to sit next to them on a bus or plane.
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Re: local guys talking smack about you?

Postby Charlie Phillips » 27 Sep 2013, 02:18

buzzkill1 wrote:At least China will likely be top dog again


What do you mean by "again". When has China ever been top dog?
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Re: local guys talking smack about you?

Postby buzzkill1 » 27 Sep 2013, 02:32

Charlie Phillips wrote:
buzzkill1 wrote:At least China will likely be top dog again


What do you mean by "again". When has China ever been top dog?


Oh, many times in their long history before the big noses arrived. Sure the northern barbarians gave them hell and even took them over completely for a while, but they were barbarians after all and still clearly culturally inferior to the Han Chinese. Even the barbarians that ruled them militarily had to adjust to the propriety of Chinese knowledge and wisdom. China was the origin of human civilization, don't you know?
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Re: local guys talking smack about you?

Postby Charlie Phillips » 27 Sep 2013, 03:22

buzzkill1 wrote:
Charlie Phillips wrote:
buzzkill1 wrote:At least China will likely be top dog again


What do you mean by "again". When has China ever been top dog?


Oh, many times in their long history before the big noses arrived. Sure the northern barbarians gave them hell and even took them over completely for a while, but they were barbarians after all and still clearly culturally inferior to the Han Chinese. Even the barbarians that ruled them militarily had to adjust to the propriety of Chinese knowledge and wisdom. China was the origin of human civilization, don't you know?


Oh yes, top dog in their own mind. There are only two countries, you know;中國 and 外國. The first one is the center of civilization and the other is the learner, at best.

My center of civilization is Europe. So to me you appear as barbaric as I do to you.

Same, same but different.
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Re: local guys talking smack about you?

Postby Ermintrude » 27 Sep 2013, 06:55

buzzkill, you're just so wide of the mark in following the conversation, I'll just have to choose to let that one go.

You need to read more. Seriously.
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Re: local guys talking smack about you?

Postby sewersquid » 27 Sep 2013, 07:34

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Re: local guys talking smack about you?

Postby finley » 27 Sep 2013, 08:14

Ermintrude wrote:[Edit: was probably a lot more personal info than I really should share online, bearing in mind that making a point on the internet is about as useful an activity as Thai fruit carving.]

Well, before you deleted it, I thought it was quite important. I won't refer to the content, but I am sorry to hear about the unpleasant hand you were dealt. And of course all that matters. But it's still not who you are, and it doesn't define your future. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves, as some scriptwriter once said. As for Thai fruit carving, I personally think it's more useful than, say, creating a Powerpoint presentation about next year's sales.

No: it's worth about the same as 'I like your hair'. I didn't make my brain any more than I made my hair follicles. It's not me.

I completely disagree. I'm painfully aware that a lot of what shapes us involves other people and outside events, but we can choose how we perceive those things and what we do with the experiences. To a certain extent, people can choose to be smart or stupid, dull or interesting, and your brain is ultimately what you made it. One can say "Well, it's not my fault, my parents put me in a crappy nursery when I was two", or one can say, "Fuck you, brain. I don't like you and you don't like me, but we're going to make the best of it".

Oh, many times in their long history before the big noses arrived. Sure the northern barbarians gave them hell and even took them over completely for a while, but they were barbarians after all and still clearly culturally inferior to the Han Chinese. Even the barbarians that ruled them militarily had to adjust to the propriety of Chinese knowledge and wisdom. China was the origin of human civilization, don't you know?

I'm just trying to figure out whether buzzkill is being facetious, or Chinese.
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Re: local guys talking smack about you?

Postby Ermintrude » 27 Sep 2013, 09:45

finley wrote:
Ermintrude wrote:[Edit: was probably a lot more personal info than I really should share online, bearing in mind that making a point on the internet is about as useful an activity as Thai fruit carving.]

Well, before you deleted it, I thought it was quite important. I won't refer to the content, but I am sorry to hear about the unpleasant hand you were dealt. And of course all that matters. But it's still not who you are, and it doesn't define your future. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves, as some scriptwriter once said. As for Thai fruit carving, I personally think it's more useful than, say, creating a Powerpoint presentation about next year's sales..


It absolutely defines me, my past and my future and it doesn't define me at all, at the same time. I call it 'quantum snowflake syndrome'. The 'defining your own future' stuff is just painfully untrue. Why would anyone decide to be you? Or me?

No: it's worth about the same as 'I like your hair'. I didn't make my brain any more than I made my hair follicles. It's not me.

I completely disagree. I'm painfully aware that a lot of what shapes us involves other people and outside events, but we can choose how we perceive those things and what we do with the experiences. To a certain extent, people can choose to be smart or stupid, dull or interesting, and your brain is ultimately what you made it. One can say "Well, it's not my fault, my parents put me in a crappy nursery when I was two", or one can say, "Fuck you, brain. I don't like you and you don't like me, but we're going to make the best of it".
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Yeah, most people disagree. However that could mean they are just bright enough to see beyond their own intellectual limitations, you would at least concede?

Origin of civilisation? Tell it to the Mesopotamians, currently going by the moniker 'Iraqi'. Or the Welsh.
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Re: local guys talking smack about you?

Postby buzzkill1 » 27 Sep 2013, 09:49

By the way, most of the British I've met are cool people whom I've enjoyed interacting with. For the most part people are just people, after all. However, some Brits seem to be a bit pompous at times. I won't name any names :whistle:
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Re: local guys talking smack about you?

Postby Hokwongwei » 27 Sep 2013, 11:45

buzzkill1 wrote:
Charlie Phillips wrote:
buzzkill1 wrote:At least China will likely be top dog again


What do you mean by "again". When has China ever been top dog?


Oh, many times in their long history before the big noses arrived. Sure the northern barbarians gave them hell and even took them over completely for a while, but they were barbarians after all and still clearly culturally inferior to the Han Chinese. Even the barbarians that ruled them militarily had to adjust to the propriety of Chinese knowledge and wisdom. China was the origin of human civilization, don't you know?


This might be one of the most irrelevant arguments I've ever read in my life. "The Chinese were the top dogs of the Chinese world."

The Aztecs were doing pretty well before the arrival of Europeans, too, right? I hear the Japanese have always been regarded as highly civilized and culturally advanced within the context of Japan.
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