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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby Icon » 12 Jun 2015, 09:29

tommy525 wrote:If he has a APRC based on marriage , wouldn't he lose that status once divorced? And if so, he would not only not have a basis for staying in Taiwan but certainly would not be able to help his mistress stay either. And we never heard if the mistress has a legal right to stay in TAiwan or is she staying illegally?


That is the beauty of the APRC. He can divorce, not work, whatever, he's here permanently. That is why so many divorce after getting their APRC or stay married just long enough to get it. Once they got it, they are free men and women, and it doesn't matter if they divorce or not. The APRC is not based on marriage or work, it is just a condition of being in Taiwan 183 days a year. The APRC is not based on marriage. I have an APRC and I am single. It is based on my time on The Island and my earnings. To get an APRC, you have to prove you have a certain income, for example. This is not a condition for ROC nationality, for instance. Married people have to prove they have enough time here in Taiwan plus certain income/assets in order to get their APRCs.

Now, there could be trouble if there have been allegations of being it a paper marriage for the sake of the visa. If his wife is loaded and has a smart lawyer, she could make these allegations and get him into real trouble, because he is being unfaithful while married, and if there is some kind of proof, she can use the force of the Law to make life miserable for him. Don't know if it can come to lose his APRC but wouldn't be surprised if they can take it away from him. Hell's got no fury and all that jazz.
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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby finley » 12 Jun 2015, 09:37

I recall from the application procedure that there is such a thing as an APRC based on marriage, which (I assume) replaces the old JFRV. I'd guess most of the people who apply for it a women from S.E.Asian countries who don't have work that meets the salary threshold for a 'regular' APRC.
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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby Icon » 12 Jun 2015, 09:45

finley wrote:I recall from the application procedure that there is such a thing as an APRC based on marriage, which (I assume) replaces the old JFRV. I'd guess most of the people who apply for it a women from S.E.Asian countries who don't have work that meets the salary threshold for a 'regular' APRC.


Yes, it means that they have been here X amount of time and instead of their assets, the family -well, the husband's assets- are considered when meeting the minimum. They "use" the marriage condition to get the APRC. Once they get their APRC, the women can divorce and at least stay in Taiwan to see the kids from afar. Doesn't matter if they have no job or no place to stay, they have the APRC, they can stay in the island and clean houses for 100 ntd an hour or dishes for 70 mtd. Contrary to the other option, divorcing before getting an APRC, getting kicked out of the country because they have no visa, no job, no assets.

What I mean is to correct Tommy's assumption that the APRC is "based" on marriage as if when the marriage ends, so does the APRC. That is incorrect. Only the JFVC ends if the marriage ends.
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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby finley » 12 Jun 2015, 10:01

Ah, gotcha. Yes, I've heard of that happening.
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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby tommy525 » 12 Jun 2015, 16:10

Hmm wish this was all in place back in 99 . Then I wouldn't have lost my residency when I divorced, and I may still be on the rock today? Imagine that?
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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby Icon » 12 Jun 2015, 16:42

tommy525 wrote:Hmm wish this was all in place back in 99 . Then I wouldn't have lost my residency when I divorced, and I may still be on the rock today? Imagine that?


You lost your residence visa because at that time ARC did not exists as it is today. But for starters, as the son of a Taiwanese, you should have been able to stay. That they discriminated against children born to Taiwanese mothers, just because the Taiwanese parent was a woman, is really shameful and a disgrace. I know too many people in your same boat. They have fixed that now, and a child born of a Taiwanese of any gender here or abroad has the right to be inscribed as citizen of ROC. But too late for a lot of people. Not fair, me thinks.
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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby spaint » 12 Jun 2015, 17:15

Rotalsnart wrote:
spaint wrote:After a divorce, there's something like a six-month cooling down period in which you can't get married again.


There is no cooling down period after a divorce under current Taiwan law.


Oh wow. Are you sure, Rotalsnart? I remember when I was going through my divorce a friend offered to marry me so I'd be able to stay in the country, and it was at that time that I found out you can't get married for a certain length of time after a divorce here. - But a (very) brief search turns up no such information... Maybe I was wrong all along (and I've been spreading false information to others to boot!)
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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby Blaquesmith » 12 Jun 2015, 18:55

Icon wrote:
finley wrote:I recall from the application procedure that there is such a thing as an APRC based on marriage, which (I assume) replaces the old JFRV. I'd guess most of the people who apply for it a women from S.E.Asian countries who don't have work that meets the salary threshold for a 'regular' APRC.


Yes, it means that they have been here X amount of time and instead of their assets, the family -well, the husband's assets- are considered when meeting the minimum. They "use" the marriage condition to get the APRC. Once they get their APRC, the women can divorce and at least stay in Taiwan to see the kids from afar. Doesn't matter if they have no job or no place to stay, they have the APRC, they can stay in the island and clean houses for 100 ntd an hour or dishes for 70 mtd. Contrary to the other option, divorcing before getting an APRC, getting kicked out of the country because they have no visa, no job, no assets.

What I mean is to correct Tommy's assumption that the APRC is "based" on marriage as if when the marriage ends, so does the APRC. That is incorrect. Only the JFVC ends if the marriage ends.


What really sucks is that the foreign parent gets expelled in case of a divorce, and thus, forcefully separated from his offspring. There should be a way for the parent to claim an APRC based on the grounds that he/she has a child living in the island.

If the law is biased to give the Taiwanese parent the custody, at least they should offer the opportunity for the parent to stay with his child.
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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby tommy525 » 12 Jun 2015, 23:51

Icon wrote:
tommy525 wrote:Hmm wish this was all in place back in 99 . Then I wouldn't have lost my residency when I divorced, and I may still be on the rock today? Imagine that?


You lost your residence visa because at that time ARC did not exists as it is today. But for starters, as the son of a Taiwanese, you should have been able to stay. That they discriminated against children born to Taiwanese mothers, just because the Taiwanese parent was a woman, is really shameful and a disgrace. I know too many people in your same boat. They have fixed that now, and a child born of a Taiwanese of any gender here or abroad has the right to be inscribed as citizen of ROC. But too late for a lot of people. Not fair, me thinks.



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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby Rotalsnart » 13 Jun 2015, 11:37

spaint wrote:
Rotalsnart wrote:
spaint wrote:After a divorce, there's something like a six-month cooling down period in which you can't get married again.


There is no cooling down period after a divorce under current Taiwan law.


Oh wow. Are you sure, Rotalsnart? I remember when I was going through my divorce a friend offered to marry me so I'd be able to stay in the country, and it was at that time that I found out you can't get married for a certain length of time after a divorce here. - But a (very) brief search turns up no such information... Maybe I was wrong all along (and I've been spreading false information to others to boot!)


Yes, I'm certain there is no cooling down period under current law today. I believe that historically there was a 6-month cooling down period for women, ostensibly to avoid the possibility of a woman being pregnant and subsequent uncertainty about the father's identity, but that requirement was abolished.
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