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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby Icon » 13 Jun 2015, 16:50

Blaquesmith wrote:
Icon wrote:
finley wrote:I recall from the application procedure that there is such a thing as an APRC based on marriage, which (I assume) replaces the old JFRV. I'd guess most of the people who apply for it a women from S.E.Asian countries who don't have work that meets the salary threshold for a 'regular' APRC.


Yes, it means that they have been here X amount of time and instead of their assets, the family -well, the husband's assets- are considered when meeting the minimum. They "use" the marriage condition to get the APRC. Once they get their APRC, the women can divorce and at least stay in Taiwan to see the kids from afar. Doesn't matter if they have no job or no place to stay, they have the APRC, they can stay in the island and clean houses for 100 ntd an hour or dishes for 70 mtd. Contrary to the other option, divorcing before getting an APRC, getting kicked out of the country because they have no visa, no job, no assets.

What I mean is to correct Tommy's assumption that the APRC is "based" on marriage as if when the marriage ends, so does the APRC. That is incorrect. Only the JFVC ends if the marriage ends.


What really sucks is that the foreign parent gets expelled in case of a divorce, and thus, forcefully separated from his offspring. There should be a way for the parent to claim an APRC based on the grounds that he/she has a child living in the island.

If the law is biased to give the Taiwanese parent the custody, at least they should offer the opportunity for the parent to stay with his child.


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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby Belgian Pie » 13 Jun 2015, 20:40

Maybe they pull the 'indecent behavior' card as they do with naturalization to renounce the APRC?
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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby bigduke6 » 13 Jun 2015, 22:32

amying wrote:OK, so I'm not gonna say I'm asking for a friend...my spouse is Taiwanese and I'm having an affair. Can I be deported if found out and if that is what my spouse wants?
Haven't been found out yet, but who knows.....


There is no such thing as an APRC through marriage. You have a marriage ARC/JFRV. An APRC and marriage ARC are two TOTALLY different things, with totally different ramifications should you get into shit. You need to get your facts straight. With a marriage ARC, a divorce means your reason for being here, is terminated, along with you.
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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby Yang Gui Zi » 16 Jun 2015, 14:15

tommy525 wrote:
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tommy525 wrote:Hmm wish this was all in place back in 99 . Then I wouldn't have lost my residency when I divorced, and I may still be on the rock today? Imagine that?


You lost your residence visa because at that time ARC did not exists as it is today. But for starters, as the son of a Taiwanese, you should have been able to stay. That they discriminated against children born to Taiwanese mothers, just because the Taiwanese parent was a woman, is really shameful and a disgrace. I know too many people in your same boat. They have fixed that now, and a child born of a Taiwanese of any gender here or abroad has the right to be inscribed as citizen of ROC. But too late for a lot of people. Not fair, me thinks.


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Yep, on the same boat here. Was born in Taiwan, Taiwanese mother, need to renew my ARC in a couple months... I missed the cut for the "fix" by 4 years! :(
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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby cake » 19 Jun 2015, 14:34

He wants to marry someone from the Philippines just so she can stay?
Why get married again?
Give it a couple of years with your current one before you think about marriage.

And I seem to remember hearing divorce is illegal in the Philippines???
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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby tommy525 » 19 Jun 2015, 15:27

Just for comparison sake, if you get a Green Card in the USA by virtue of being married to an American citizen, that status may be lost if your marriage dissolves before the two year "temporary" green card can be turned into a "permanent" green card.

Because the process to turn the green card by marriage into a permanent one requires proof that the union is still intact. Requires an interview where they assess whether your marriage is a sham or not.

However, the USA being a human rights believin country gives leeway in the case of an abused partner.

That is to say even if the marriage is no longer intact the temporary green card holder could still apply for a permanent green card if there are reports of abuse and battery by the supporting spouse.
And there are extenuating circumstances preventing the spouse (or even former spouse) from returning home.
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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby Blaquesmith » 21 Jun 2015, 12:07

tommy525 wrote:Just for comparison sake, if you get a Green Card in the USA by virtue of being married to an American citizen, that status may be lost if your marriage dissolves before the two year "temporary" green card can be turned into a "permanent" green card.

Because the process to turn the green card by marriage into a permanent one requires proof that the union is still intact. Requires an interview where they assess whether your marriage is a sham or not.

However, the USA being a human rights believin country gives leeway in the case of an abused partner.

That is to say even if the marriage is no longer intact the temporary green card holder could still apply for a permanent green card if there are reports of abuse and battery by the supporting spouse.
And there are extenuating circumstances preventing the spouse (or even former spouse) from returning home.


Well, I don't want to start discussing death penalty, Guantanamo and other human rights issues here, so I'll dismiss the bolded sentence.

There should be exceptions when there's a divorce with a child, and you're not only giving full custody to one of the parents, but effectively deporting the other one because he can't stay in the country without being married. There should be at least the option in guaranteeing that both parents will become available to the child, at least until he/she can decide who wants to live with.

And as previously mentioned, there should be special cases in which one part has been abused by the other one and the divorce is a result of that. Now, the rules that define "abuse" are written by half-assed people who will, most of the time, decide that the male is the culprit by default, even for bogus accusations, and won't take seriously any complaints made by the husbands that are being abused by his wife.
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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby bigduke6 » 21 Jun 2015, 15:26

Blaquesmith wrote:
tommy525 wrote:Just for comparison sake, if you get a Green Card in the USA by virtue of being married to an American citizen, that status may be lost if your marriage dissolves before the two year "temporary" green card can be turned into a "permanent" green card.

Because the process to turn the green card by marriage into a permanent one requires proof that the union is still intact. Requires an interview where they assess whether your marriage is a sham or not.

However, the USA being a human rights believin country gives leeway in the case of an abused partner.

That is to say even if the marriage is no longer intact the temporary green card holder could still apply for a permanent green card if there are reports of abuse and battery by the supporting spouse.
And there are extenuating circumstances preventing the spouse (or even former spouse) from returning home.


Well, I don't want to start discussing death penalty, Guantanamo and other human rights issues here, so I'll dismiss the bolded sentence.

There should be exceptions when there's a divorce with a child, and you're not only giving full custody to one of the parents, but effectively deporting the other one because he can't stay in the country without being married. There should be at least the option in guaranteeing that both parents will become available to the child, at least until he/she can decide who wants to live with.

And as previously mentioned, there should be special cases in which one part has been abused by the other one and the divorce is a result of that. Now, the rules that define "abuse" are written by half-assed people who will, most of the time, decide that the male is the culprit by default, even for bogus accusations, and won't take seriously any complaints made by the husbands that are being abused by his wife.


You can get a JFRV through your child, if he/she is a national.
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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby Blaquesmith » 21 Jun 2015, 16:15

bigduke6 wrote:You can get a JFRV through your child, if he/she is a national.


I guess in order to do that, you need to have full custody of the kid. There have been cases in Forumosa where the Taiwanese parent had full custody and the foreign parent was unable to get a visa, having to leave the country because of that.
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Re: Have APRC by marriage and having an affair

Postby ironlady » 21 Jun 2015, 20:11

tommy525 wrote:However, the USA being a human rights believin country gives leeway in the case of an abused partner.


As long as the abused party is the foreign applicant spouse, not the US national spouse. In practice, if the case does not look suspicious to them or have statistical "red flags", they will not even interview you, just send you a form that has you check whether or not you (the US national spouse) entered the marriage in good faith. No questions at all about the foreign spouse's behavior or intentions (I suppose they do a criminal recrord check, but not sure).

At least this was my personal experience. On the plus side, I am good Facebook friends with the second ex-wife. :D
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