I completely agree with this. However, I've always known it to be "belonging to the Four Fs Club". Perhaps that's just an exclusive Marine term. Anyway, there seems to be an expectation from Taiwanese women that one roll in the hay constitutes a steady relationship. In fact, based on some posts I've read even a kiss after a single date qualifies as a boyfriend girlfriend expectations in their minds. When it doesn't work out to their expectations and loss of face occurs.....watch out!Mother Theresa wrote:it's my understanding that datem, dickem and dumpem is more likely to result in trouble here than in the West.