xiaojuan wrote:You need to remember that LT was generalizing about Taiwanese and American men. She wasn't targeting you as an individual. If YOU are feeling so sure about your adequacies as a man, then what a woman has to say about her preferences shouldn't be such an enormous blow to your ego. But, if what you actually need is for women to tell you how wonderful you are and say only the things you like to hear, then you're just an overgrown and insecure child.
Perhaps some Taiwanese girls talk smack about Taiwanese men because they know what they want and aren't afraid of expressing it. If there's a kind of man that only complains and doesn't provide, he isn't worth being around. What's wrong with announcing it? It's just an opinion. I believe generalizing should be limited, however if a woman had a bad experience with someone and wants to broadcast it, she's doing all women a public service.
You said LT was generalizing, then later you said she was speaking of her personal experience; weren't you contradicting yourself?? When people generalize, they DO NOT speak from experience, but they speak more about their beliefs and OPINIONS and what they THINK is true. In her post, she said so herself that she OVERHEARD comments about Taiwanese guys' bedroom skills. Do you call that "experience"? She might as well have made that up, as insecure whitewashed Asian girls who are ashamed of her culture would do. And even if she did overhear it, how can you prove the truthfulness of what she overheard? LOL, Xiao Juan,
I'm nailing you on this one, aren't I. Next time before you call me insecure, just make sure you have enough observational skills and are backed up by enough pertinent information. If LT had given info that actually resembled first-hand experience, I would've been more eager to accept it. But she didn't, did she? LT's problem is most likely that all her "knowledge" comes from 2nd and 3rd hand information combined with her EMBELLISHMENT of the facts due to her INSECURITY of being Asian, and THAT is the kind of mindset I object to. On the other hand, I have reports and data from MAJOR PUBLICATIONS proving what I said and you still call me insecure. Whatever... LOL.
By the way, if you're Taiwanese, then you really need to stop saying "we" "in America". I know you like to believe "once a Chinese, always a Chinese" and it's hard for you to let go of the people who left you, but we're not the same people. Asian Americans are men BORN in the US or whose family have spent over ten years living or slaving there. Sorry to tell you this, but just visiting or schooling in the US for two to four friggin' years doesn't make you an American. Not even Asian American. You'd still be Taiwanese. End of story.
You seem like you're just lecturing semantics to me now. When I said "we", I was referring to people like myself, who had lived under 2nd world socioeconomic conditions, then moved to America and gained some of the 1st world socioeconomic advantages, and I'm STILL THE SAME PERSON, aren't I. I may not be in the SAME CIRCUMSTANCES, but I'm still the same person. Anyway I don't know why this is relevant to the issue at hand, which is that, to reiterate, don't compare western guys to Asian guys who haven't got those advantages.
xiaojuan wrote:Sun Tsu wrote:xiaojuan wrote:Sun Tsu wrote:Oh but there's more:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01841.html . This article says Asian-American women are now more and more likely to marry their own kind because they realize white guys ain't all that; hence, their interracial marriage rate fell from 42 to 33% during '90-'00. FANCY THAT!
Oh please. Do you even read the articles that you reference? Let's just talk about that Washington Post article. Did you see the part that people are likely to date or marry people of the same ethnicity because they don't have to stress out about cultural differences? I don't want to date Taiwanese men because it would drive me crazy. I don't agree with too many aspects of Taiwanese culture and behavior, and I'm sure a Taiwanese man wouldn't be agree with my own.
Don't know what you are arguing about here. The article says they are basically REJECTING white guys to pick their own kind. So what is it that you are disagreeing with? Maybe you just find it hard to accept that fact, is that it, when the notion of Asian men being inferior to white guys has been reinforced into your head for so long?
You probably don't understand my argument because you didn't bother to READ YOUR ARTICLE ALL THE WAY THROUGH. Your analyzation of this article is completely warped because of your inferiority complex. It was talking about cultural compatibility, not how the white man is inferior to Asians or the other way around. Big difference. Don't post articles you haven't read and call it fact. You're just putting your education to waste.
No, I did not warp anything, because I did not say white men were inferior. Read my quotes just above. Did you see word "inferior" anywhere in it?? I only said Asian women were REJECTING white guys to pick their own kind, now is that what the article says or isn't it?? Or were you just objecting my use of the word "rejecting"? Well, if they were not picking them, they were rejecting them, simple as that. Btw, the cultural incompatibility that you mentioned, isn't that the same reason you don't want to date Taiwanese men? (You said in a previous post that you couldn't stand the culture and custom, etc.) Isn't it interesting that now the table is turned and white guys are at the short end and we are getting a COMPLETELY different reaction from you, and an irrational one at that, hahaha.
Understanding of the real world?? I have a very good understanding of my own country, and don't need you to be my personal textbook, thanks. Especially since I was actually BORN in the US, and I lived there for 22 years.
Let me tell you about the America that you don't seem to know jack about.
I have classmates who lived on food stamps and lived in broken housing for most of their lives. There are families who can't have regular hospital visits because they can't afford health insurance. My mother, for years, had to work two jobs by herself to get me and my sister food, shelter, and an education. Most of us who went to decent schools had to work damn hard so we could earn the scholarships and grants that put us through it. If we didn't get that money from our hard work, we were in debt for the next 25 years of our lives. Regular people are getting kicked out of their homes, as we speak. The US has the highest poverty levels and the worst education in the developed world, but from what I've seen, those poor and needy Americans are some of the most sincere, kind, and civilized people I've met. The wealthy and powerful people who make up less than 2% our population can hardly be called civilized when they're dragging our country into the dumps. They're assholes. So, how dare you start marching around throwing around stereotypes, telling me about how spoiled my country is and how money makes nice and civilized people.
Taiwan might not be America, but it is far more developed than most Asian countries. You live in a place that possesses some of the best technology in the region, a great national health insurance plan for all people, and has the highest population density of PhDs. I think that's a pretty f'ing good deal, so don't cry to us about how life is so damned hard.
That's same diatribe that NomNomTaiwan threw at me. To reiterate what I said to her, your anecdotal information doesn't change the fact that the US is a more advanced nation socioeconomically than Taiwan and offers more opportunities than Taiwan. I don't care if 100s or 1000s of you say how poor you are in ths US (and doing so with melodramatic emotion, no less), it doesn't change the fact that Asian guys who haven't been to the US are at a greater disadvantage than American guys who haven't been to Taiwan. The US is more advanced and robust than Taiwan in every statum. Middle-class Americans are better off than middle-class Taiwanese, and poor Americans are better off than poor Taiwanese. You are poor if you earn US$10991 in the US but only US$4000 in Taiwan.
Rich people are assholes and uncivilized? Oh look who's stereotyping now? LOL. When you have more money, you can have a more comfortable life, better health, and better social and psychological well-being. That's not stereotyping, just common sense. You're just putting up these lame arguments that I'm blowing holes in with tremendous ease.
