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Pangolin - "The Armor That Burrows Through The Mountain"

Re: Pangolin - "The Armor That Burrows Through The Mountain"

Postby TwoTon » 18 Nov 2010, 09:19

tommy525 wrote:they must be difficult to raise? how do you feed them in captivity?

Extremely difficult. Until 1995, feeding captives was mostly trial and error, until a few international zoos stumbled over a formula. Still, few survive captivity by more then one year.


on the topic of snakes, this is a clip of heavy rains in taiwan forcing snakes out of hiding. two protected species ( dont know the english , Chinese called "kai shan tao" ) were caught at a temple and released in a graveyard (maybe better in the deep forest really).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i943h2y0 ... re=channel

Thanks! Those were Big-eyed Ratsnakes (過山刀). Dirt-common and non-protected snakes used in TCM (mostly dermatology-related)....how in hell is that considered newsworthy? Another proof for my wise decision to get rid of TV ten years ago....

Also interesting that the caption behind the announcer said "python". Sigh....
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Re: Pangolin - "The Armor That Burrows Through The Mountain"

Postby zender » 19 Nov 2010, 12:42

scaly anteater makes endangered list

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20101119/ts ... db719.html
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Re: Pangolin - "The Armor That Burrows Through The Mountain"

Postby RJF » 26 Nov 2010, 11:46

Great pics -- walking on their knuckles is one of the defining characteristics of sloths -- perhaps there is some relationship.
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Re: Pangolin - "The Armor That Burrows Through The Mountain"

Postby antarcticbeech » 26 Nov 2010, 16:21

RJF wrote:Great pics -- walking on their knuckles is one of the defining characteristics of sloths -- perhaps there is some relationship.

No. Well, not a close one at all. Recent genetic analysis suggests that pangolins are most closely related to the carnivores. Carnivores and pangolins are then, together, most closely related to a group which includes antelopes, hippos, giraffes, cows etc.

Pangolins used to be grouped with the similar looking armadillos. Not anymore.

Armadillos, however, are now believed to be closely related to anteaters, and then sloths.*

Pangolins marked with the thick black ink, sloths with the thin. The big black dot shows their most recent common ancestor, which branches out into a huge grouping of highly diverse placental mammals. The group above the pangolins is the carnivores. The group below the sloths is the anteaters, and below that the armadillos.
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* Man, these evolutionary geneticists are fuckin :loco:
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Re: Pangolin - "The Armor That Burrows Through The Mountain"

Postby TwoTon » 26 Nov 2010, 16:41

Thank you for the chart!
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Re: Pangolin - "The Armor That Burrows Through The Mountain"

Postby Mother Theresa » 26 Nov 2010, 16:58

Wow. Awesome. Thanks for sharing that.

Actually, if I recall correctly, muchaman once posted a pic of one he saw in the wild. Not that that takes away from the awesomeness of what you experienced, but I think there are two forumosans (probably just two) who have seen one.
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Re: Pangolin - "The Armor That Burrows Through The Mountain"

Postby Mucha Man » 26 Nov 2010, 17:11

Yep, I saw one. So has trailhacker (his neighbors in Daxi, Yilan, caught one last year). So that's at least three of us.

Some friends in Dulan who have a B&B in the hills have also seen them on occasion. All the more reason to go to Dulan on a weekday. :lol:

TwoTon without doubt has had the most awesome experience with one though and by far the best pics. I rue not taking my slr with me on the trip I saw the Pangolin.
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Re: Pangolin - "The Armor That Burrows Through The Mountain"

Postby TwoTon » 26 Nov 2010, 17:37

Mucha Man wrote:TwoTon without doubt has had the most awesome experience with one though

Not to mention the fact that the little bugger was delivered to my doorstep, gift-wrapped, so to speak.

No one should be so lucky :-)
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Re: Pangolin - "The Armor That Burrows Through The Mountain"

Postby RJF » 26 Nov 2010, 19:11

antarcticbeech wrote:
RJF wrote:Great pics -- walking on their knuckles is one of the defining characteristics of sloths -- perhaps there is some relationship.

No. Well, not a close one at all...

Thanks -- that was most educational -- in the best sense of the word. :bravo:
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Re: Pangolin - "The Armor That Burrows Through The Mountain"

Postby Mucha Man » 27 Nov 2010, 00:19

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Muzha Man wrote:TwoTon without doubt has had the most awesome experience with one though

Not to mention the fact that the little bugger was delivered to my doorstep, gift-wrapped, so to speak.

No one should be so lucky :-)


Indeed, though when I saw one he actually crossed the dirt road and then walked right up to me. Pretty lucky though my first thought was, hmm, slow moving creature that apparently tastes really good, and is not at all afraid of people. No wonder you're rare as hen's teeth. :lol:
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