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My Wife Got the New Maternity Leave!

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Re: My Wife Got the New Maternal Leave!

Postby Chris » 11 May 2009, 09:26

Chewycorns and Okami... I thought you were free-market conservatives, and as such would be opposed to things like paid maternity leave and OK with things like $7000 immunity shots.

Just an observation....
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Re: My Wife Got the New Maternal Leave!

Postby Chewycorns » 11 May 2009, 10:12

Chris wrote:Chewycorns and Okami... I thought you were free-market conservatives, and as such would be opposed to things like paid maternity leave and OK with things like $7000 immunity shots.

Just an observation....


Lots of observations can be wrong. :wink: :D

Toronto Star wrote: In a determined effort to make inroads with female voters, Conservative leader Stephen Harper promised maternity and parental benefits to the self-employed today.

Harper stated the self-employed "shouldn't have to choose between starting a family and starting a business because of government policy."

"They should be able to pursue their dreams - both as entrepreneurs and as parents."


http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/499419
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Re: My Wife Got the New Maternal Leave!

Postby Okami » 11 May 2009, 12:19

Chewycorns and Okami... I thought you were free-market conservatives, and as such would be opposed to things like paid maternity leave and OK with things like $7000 immunity shots.

I'm not opposed to paid maternity leave, but I believe it should be a business decision and not a govt diktat. Govt diktats like this tend to gum up SME's which are also the bedrock of Taiwan's economy. Someone has to pay for it and that someone will be consumers and buyers of the companies products and services. They may choose not buy from the company because it is too expensive for their budget.

Now as far as paying for immunization shots, I think that is bullshit because I pay the full cost of NHI for my wife and daughter. Why are they not covering something that is "mandatory"? Taiwan talks this great game of wanting people to have more kids and then you have this $20-30,000NT expense after having the kid. Now for us foreigners and richer Taiwanese, this isn't much, but for your average Taiwanese those 6 months of shots cost one month's salary. If I wasn't paying for NHI, I'd have no problem with paying for the shots.

I think that adequately explains my my being a free market conservative and not engaging in cognitive dissonance on these 2 points.
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Re: My Wife Got the New Maternal Leave!

Postby headhonchoII » 12 May 2009, 13:54

The way things go in Taiwan, this perk might end up just going to govt. workers...
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Re: My Wife Got the New Maternity Leave!

Postby jwbrunken » 12 May 2009, 22:42

headhonchoII wrote:The way things go in Taiwan, this perk might end up just going to govt. workers...


There is something to this. My sister-in-law didn't take more than a month off for fear of reprisal at work, such as not receiving promotions or raises and being assigned harder tasks. There is a lot of doubt among locals that this law will be enforced in the private sector. Though my wife works as a professor at a public university, she is still wary of taking the leave if we ever get around to number 2, fearing it may affect her promotion.
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Re: My Wife Got the New Maternity Leave!

Postby Battery9 » 12 May 2009, 23:06

that's excellent news!

What happens to the job that the person was doing...does someone else get hired for that time or do other people at the job cover parts of the job etc. I always wonder this about foreign teachers that go on 3 month sprees in Thailand etc....and their jobs are there when they get back...
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Re: My Wife Got the New Maternal Leave!

Postby Gao Bohan » 13 May 2009, 00:19

Okami wrote:I'm not opposed to paid maternity leave, but I believe it should be a business decision and not a govt diktat.


The trouble is, very few companies will offer maternity leave without a government mandate. In the US, new parents get 12 weeks of job-protected, but not necessarily paid leave. And that's only for parents who work at relatively large companies. And most companies only offer part of that leave time as paid, so most people can't even afford to take the entire 12 weeks. That has been the case for several mothers and fathers I know.
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Re: My Wife Got the New Maternal Leave!

Postby Mordeth » 13 May 2009, 07:31

Gao Bohan wrote:
Okami wrote:I'm not opposed to paid maternity leave, but I believe it should be a business decision and not a govt diktat.


The trouble is, very few companies will offer maternity leave without a government mandate. In the US, new parents get 12 weeks of job-protected, but not necessarily paid leave. And that's only for parents who work at relatively large companies. And most companies only offer part of that leave time as paid, so most people can't even afford to take the entire 12 weeks. That has been the case for several mothers and fathers I know.


The older I get the more I realize what a shithole the US is. When I was young I idolized it.

In France both the mother AND father get a year off, paid leave (I'm pretty sure on that).

So even Taiwan is superior to the US when it comes to caring for babies. Crazy.
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Re: My Wife Got the New Maternity Leave!

Postby anglophonus » 13 May 2009, 09:20

No such for fathers... despite the fact that many of us do, yes, actually share the job of caring for the child. It's not the '50s anymore. My wife was already unemployed, so I'm screwed.
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Re: My Wife Got the New Maternity Leave!

Postby asiababy » 13 May 2009, 19:33

Regarding the immunization costs, I remember that there were extra shots offered above those in "the book", and also that you could opt to pay extra to have the 5 in 1 rather than the 3 in 1. I remember the doctor trying to talk me into one and it worked out about 18,000 for the three shots.
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