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Is Islam a religion of peace?

Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?

Postby OrangeOrganics » 22 Dec 2015, 10:08

[quote="Andrew0409"]One of the major problems I see with Islam not being able to transition well into modern democracy is that at the core is the fact that in Islam, God is the giver of laws, and men have only limited autonomy to implement and enforce God's laws. These laws, known as sharia, apply to all aspects of religious, political, social, and private life. Interpreted literally, they can clash with Western democratic ideals. An Islamic democracy has to navigate tensions created by Islam's traditional rules.

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There is also no real space for science or reason in Islam. Everything is down to God's Will, Islamic scholars rejected Cause and Effect in teh 11th century.

Yes, Islam had a Golden Age of science and innovation, but people have to understand that this was before the current paradigm of literalism that has rejected reason for the past 900 years.
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Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?

Postby Zla'od » 22 Dec 2015, 15:17

Yes, the Islamic world is home to any number of abuses, such as the attacks on atheist bloggers in Bangladesh. Sharia, however, is not what you think it is. Most "Islamic" countries permit banking with interest, for example. Like the Torah, it's all in the interpretation, and the majority of Muslims tend to ignore the rules (e.g. on drinking) just as Catholics do with respect to canon law.

For the sake of comparison, the Buddhists have a good reputation, and yet are responsible for atrocities in Burma, Thailand, and Sri Lanka. Should we be treating Buddhism on a par with Naziism? Surely not--there has to be room for some nuance, or else we are all doomed and damned. Doesn't Islam deserve the same consideration as Buddhism (and the other religions)?
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Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?

Postby OrangeOrganics » 22 Dec 2015, 15:19

Zla'od wrote:Yes, the Islamic world is home to any number of abuses, such as the attacks on atheist bloggers in Bangladesh. Sharia, however, is not what you think it is. Most "Islamic" countries permit banking with interest, for example. Like the Torah, it's all in the interpretation, and the majority of Muslims tend to ignore the rules (e.g. on drinking) just as Catholics do with respect to canon law.

For the sake of comparison, the Buddhists have a good reputation, and yet are responsible for atrocities in Burma, Thailand, and Sri Lanka. Should we be treating Buddhism on a par with Naziism? Surely not--there has to be room for some nuance, or else we are all doomed and damned. Doesn't Islam deserve the same consideration as Buddhism (and the other religions)?


What you are saying is simply not true. Religions are not the same, they are sets of ideas with their own forms and concepts. Some religions and ideas are worse than others.
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Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?

Postby headhonchoII » 22 Dec 2015, 17:02

Yep, it's no use trying to make everything equivalent. Buddhism has Buddha, Christians have Christ and Islan has Mohammed. I know which two out of three that were the hippies.
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Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?

Postby Andrew0409 » 22 Dec 2015, 17:08

OrangeOrganics wrote:
Zla'od wrote:Yes, the Islamic world is home to any number of abuses, such as the attacks on atheist bloggers in Bangladesh. Sharia, however, is not what you think it is. Most "Islamic" countries permit banking with interest, for example. Like the Torah, it's all in the interpretation, and the majority of Muslims tend to ignore the rules (e.g. on drinking) just as Catholics do with respect to canon law.

For the sake of comparison, the Buddhists have a good reputation, and yet are responsible for atrocities in Burma, Thailand, and Sri Lanka. Should we be treating Buddhism on a par with Naziism? Surely not--there has to be room for some nuance, or else we are all doomed and damned. Doesn't Islam deserve the same consideration as Buddhism (and the other religions)?


What you are saying is simply not true. Religions are not the same, they are sets of ideas with their own forms and concepts. Some religions and ideas are worse than others.


You are talking about the actions of the followers of certain religions. If a Christian shot a man does that make Christianity evil? No. It was the action of a person. I want to separate the two as much as possible I want to get to the core beliefs of religion without the tainted actions of the followers of that religion. My question is still, Is Islam in it's core founding beliefs peaceful. For example, Christianity's foundation is the resurrection and the action and words of Jesus whether you believe he resurrected or not. His actions and words were peaceful, it was all love thy neighbor like you love yourself, give to the poor, help others, ect. But most of the actions of Christians today do not reflect that at all. In America, politicians hijacked Christianity and made it like if you're christian you must be against gays and abortion. Which is barely touched on in scripture. So you find me bash Christians more than Muslims most of the time, but I don't bash Christianity.
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Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?

Postby Zla'od » 22 Dec 2015, 17:39

Ask two Christians what the "core" of Christianity is, and you'll get two different answers (at least). Same with Islam. People find in this disparate mass of tradition whatever they want to find.

Head Honcho, what was that about the hippies? I'm not following.
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Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?

Postby OrangeOrganics » 22 Dec 2015, 17:41

Andrew0409 wrote:
OrangeOrganics wrote:
Zla'od wrote:Yes, the Islamic world is home to any number of abuses, such as the attacks on atheist bloggers in Bangladesh. Sharia, however, is not what you think it is. Most "Islamic" countries permit banking with interest, for example. Like the Torah, it's all in the interpretation, and the majority of Muslims tend to ignore the rules (e.g. on drinking) just as Catholics do with respect to canon law.

For the sake of comparison, the Buddhists have a good reputation, and yet are responsible for atrocities in Burma, Thailand, and Sri Lanka. Should we be treating Buddhism on a par with Naziism? Surely not--there has to be room for some nuance, or else we are all doomed and damned. Doesn't Islam deserve the same consideration as Buddhism (and the other religions)?


What you are saying is simply not true. Religions are not the same, they are sets of ideas with their own forms and concepts. Some religions and ideas are worse than others.


You are talking about the actions of the followers of certain religions. If a Christian shot a man does that make Christianity evil? No. It was the action of a person. I want to separate the two as much as possible I want to get to the core beliefs of religion without the tainted actions of the followers of that religion. My question is still, Is Islam in it's core founding beliefs peaceful. For example, Christianity's foundation is the resurrection and the action and words of Jesus whether you believe he resurrected or not. His actions and words were peaceful, it was all love thy neighbor like you love yourself, give to the poor, help others, ect. But most of the actions of Christians today do not reflect that at all. In America, politicians hijacked Christianity and made it like if you're christian you must be against gays and abortion. Which is barely touched on in scripture. So you find me bash Christians more than Muslims most of the time, but I don't bash Christianity.


No I'm not, im talking about ideas. Some ideas are more dangerous than others.
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Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?

Postby OrangeOrganics » 22 Dec 2015, 17:42

Zla'od wrote:Ask two Christians what the "core" of Christianity is, and you'll get two different answers (at least). Same with Islam. People find in this disparate mass of tradition whatever they want to find.

Head Honcho, what was that about the hippies? I'm not following.


Look, what you are saying is not true. All religions are not basically the same. Find me one line of text in the Buddhist sutras that could evoke someone to kill an non-beliver.
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Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?

Postby OrangeOrganics » 22 Dec 2015, 17:51

All of the Abrahamic religions, if followed literally a pretty excellent recpies for misery. Just various degrees of misery
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Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?

Postby Andrew0409 » 22 Dec 2015, 18:09

Zla'od wrote:Ask two Christians what the "core" of Christianity is, and you'll get two different answers (at least). Same with Islam. People find in this disparate mass of tradition whatever they want to find.

Head Honcho, what was that about the hippies? I'm not following.


Well those 2 Christians must not know any theology. The foundation of Christianity is the resurrection. Without going into a theology lesson here, basically a perfect being came on earth as a perfect man to take on all the sin's of imperfect man to be sacrificed. Also, to be Christ like is the core ideas and Jesus's words and actions leave little to interpretation.
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